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the Honors situation I mentioned above is continuing....are we now 8 weeks into the year it is incredibly scandalous apparently there's another child in the same position but naturally the school is protecting their confidentiality so the parents aren't going to be calling each other up -- CatherineJohnson - 05 Nov 2006 | |||||||
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You are probably right. But what I don't understand is why can't other teachers teach Honors classes? Shouldn't all teachers be able to teach honors classes, whether they are doing so at present or not? Well, of course, here in Irvington, everything is Top Secret But I intend to find out. Yes, why can't they offer more than 2 sections of an 8th grade Regents Earth Sciences course? -- CatherineJohnson - 05 Nov 2006 | |||||||
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dollars to donuts the honors teacher is at her union-limit of number of students per day You are probably right. But what I don't understand is why can't other teachers teach Honors classes? Shouldn't all teachers be able to teach honors classes, whether they are doing so at present or not? -- BenCalvin - 04 Nov 2006 | |||||||
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The original proposal was $9 mil The Fieldpoint residents managed to get it down to $5.5 mil Yeoman labor They're next to the school, & have huge drainage problems (it's amazing - I had no idea) Turns out the school & Fieldpoint (and maybe my house??) are built on wetlands! sheesh Anyway, after a year of labor they were able to get the Board to perceive that, yes, WE HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT PROHIBIT BUIDING X, Y, & Z -- CatherineJohnson - 02 Nov 2006 | |||||||
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You know, if you deleted references to Irvington, you could send that letter to just about any suburban school district. The things you see in Irvington are not isolated. We all face the same issues. right, exactly that's the problem we have to try to engineer a paradigm shift (does one "engineer" a paradigm shift?) what I don't know is how big a problem union regs are our union is invisible never see them, never hear them then two weeks ago someone told me the union is "upset" about the Irvington Parents Forum that tells union regs are part of the problem I suspect that the student I know who's been strung along by the school, trying to get into an Honors class, is probably hitting a union wall no one will tell student or student's parents why student wasn't put in honors class, or why, now that student is getting straight As in non-honors class, student shouldn't be moved to honors class dollars to donuts the honors teacher is at her union-limit of number of students per day -- CatherineJohnson - 02 Nov 2006 | |||||||
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You know, if you deleted references to Irvington, you could send that letter to just about any suburban school district. The things you see in Irvington are not isolated. We all face the same issues. We are a little behind you on the fields. We are looking to have a referendum on the school field rebuild (at $5 million) in June, so I have a little more time. But it's a near impossible task as the football parents see the new fields as their only hope of getting a team. They'll be able to organize parents on football, I doubt we'll get a discussion going at all. But this $5 million price tag -- weird how the fields in Granby and in Irvington all need $5M. I'll bet there's a standardized list somewhere of costs so schools just look it up and plug it in. -- LynnGuelzow - 01 Nov 2006 | |||||||
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I think the theory on the fields is that it is justified to use bond mony for infrastructure, but not for ongoing operating expenses. Of course the debt service becomes an ongoing expense, but that's another matter. -- BenCalvin - 31 Oct 2006 | |||||||
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Verizon will turn off your email account for 24 hours if you...send more than 100 messages in 1 hour...send messages at a rate of 1.6 per minute...send one message to more than 500 people you spammer you! -- BenCalvin - 31 Oct 2006 | |||||||
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[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irvingtonparentsforum/message/41][This]] is the summary of our hiring practices I posted to the Irvington Parents Forum. Presumably this is being forwarded around town. -- CatherineJohnson - 31 Oct 2006 | |||||||
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The thing about all of this is that parents are always "new," so none of us has institutional memory....we don't know what the district used to do, in the not-so-distant past. We all of us are vaguely aware that our teachers are seeming younger and younger....but it's not until someone puts it together that we all "see" it. -- CatherineJohnson - 31 Oct 2006 | |||||||
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Thank you! He REALLY knows how to maintain his tone....(not that I can't, but sometimes it's an effort). I have to say, when I re-read this letter I thought it was awfully good. He really does manage to hit home the central, under-the-radar reality that we are economizing on teacher pay and, thus, on teacher quality while our attitude towards Smart Boards, Food Courts, artificial turf seems to be "Why pay less?" -- CatherineJohnson - 31 Oct 2006 | |||||||
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if you build it they will comeField Update
Initial cost estimates were: Meszaros Field/lights/track 2,837,000 Tennis courts 905,100 Parking lot 396,900 East Field 1,410,150 Total 5,549,150* Visit our web site to review “View on Board: Fields Update 10/18/06”. As always, we value your input. Send your comments to Board President Paul Mandel at xxxx@irvingtonschools.org, contact your Board Trustee, and /or attend one of the above mentioned meetings. Thank you. input Dear Paul, I’ll be away on business this week, so I’m unable to attend the special meeting on the fields Monday night. Since I can’t express my views in person, I’d thought I’d do so in writing. I want to say right off, that, in principle, I support the idea of having better recreation and athletic facilities. I’m a runner and use the track. I play tennis and have at times been frustrated waiting for a court at Memorial Field. I also coached AYSO for six years and know what it’s like having games and practices cancelled because the field’s too wet. But that said, I have serious concerns about two things: dollar costs and opportunity costs. Why do two fields, a track, and 4 tennis courts sport a price tag of 5.5 million dollars? This seems like an awful lot of money, and I’m not convinced we couldn’t do these things for less. What, for instance, about improving the Dows Lane Upper Field, where the drainage problems are far less severe. Do we absolutely need a brand new track? Its surface doesn’t seem so bad to me. And perhaps most important, why build the facilities in two phases? Based on the often sorry history of public works in this country, I worry that phase one will eat up most of the funds allocated for the entire project and that the Board will come back to the community a few years from now and ask for more. More importantly, the opportunity costs have not been spelled out. What will we fail to do in our District because we’ve spent $5.5 million on fields? I’m very concerned that academics have taken a back seat to bricks and mortar and now to artificial turf. Might it not be better to spend, say, two million on fields and three million on hiring some experienced teachers? I know some very impressive people with prestigious degrees and long experience who couldn’t even obtain interviews here at Irvington UFSD. Why do we rely so heavily on newly minted ed. school graduate, some less than 25 years old? Experienced teachers are, of course, more expensive than inexperienced ones, but perhaps they’d be worth the price. Teaching is a difficult, challenging job that takes even the smartest and most energetic people several years to master. Rather than subjecting our kids to the steep end of a teacher’s learning curve, why not hire people at the top of their game? Not only would students benefit, so would the entire teaching staff. The younger teachers would learn from the senior ones, and they’d all collectively profit from the added expertise. Given the excellent working conditions of a safe, affluent community like ours, we would be able to lure some of the best faculty from districts less appealing than ours. Perhaps it is indeed more important to build fields and replace our track than to hire the best, most experienced teachers we can find. Young teachers do season with time, and no one can fault the dedication of the educators who work with our kids. But shouldn’t we, as a community, discuss this question? That we haven’t makes me wonder whether our priorities are wrong. My hope is that the Board will postpone the vote on the $5.5 million bond issue and give us more time to consider what’s at stake. If you schedule the election as planned, I will have no choice but to vote NO, much as I’d love to have more and better fields for our kids. I’ve weighed in publicly like this, and I hope others will as well. There’s nothing like a full democratic discussion to come up with what one recent author has called the “wisdom of the crowd.” Yours, Ed Berenson painful discovery Verizon will turn off your email account for 24 hours if you:
Have I mentioned the fact that it's exceedingly difficult for parents to communicate with other parents in my school district? But exceedingly easy to communicate with the administration-slash-BOE? That's because input to the Board is always valued! Input to my fellow parents is a whole different story. On the bright side, I do now know how to use Entourage groups. Or, rather, I now remember how to use Entourage groups. Not that that does me any good as far as Verizon is concerned. -- CatherineJohnson - 31 Oct 2006 <!--
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