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28 Oct 2006 - 01:30

exit the baby boomers



Have I mentioned that Irvington hires people fresh out of ed school?

Twenty-five year old people fresh out of ed school?

Twenty-five year old primarily female people fresh out of ed school?

Well, we do.

If we get lucky, as we did with Christopher's social studies teacher this year, we can hire someone not in her twenties who's already had one career. Teaching is career number two, so she, too, is fresh out of ed school.

Otherwise we hire 25-year old primarily female people fresh out of ed school.

When I say "fresh," I mean first job fresh.

Meanwhile, the baby boomers are going away. The "Tier 1" teachers all retired last year; the "Tier 2" teachers retire this year.

Or maybe it's the other way around.

I don't know.

Point is: seasoned teachers are leaving; 25 year old mostly female teachers fresh out of ed school are arriving. There's no one here to mentor or guide them, no one who knows the ropes, no one just to give them a shoulder to lean on & help them form positive & productive relationships with parents.

They're on their own.

[UPDATE 11/6/2006: I'll have to try to find the reference...I read a poll of principals the other day saying that principals think ed schools do a particularly bad job of preparing teachers to work with parents, "deal with" parents, "manage" parents - whatever word you put to the relationship. Experienced teachers have spent years dealing with parents....as far as I can see, all social institutions need some older, experienced people around. It just doesn't make sense to have one generation of individuals making up your entire staff.]


Parents have been grumbly about this, because, obviously, there's a learning curve in teaching as in anything else. People in the first year of their teaching careers aren't as good as they're going to be in the 5th year.

Besides which, 25 year old teachers fresh out of ed school don't necessarily stick around. If they're good, they have other options. Lots of other options, given the hot market in administrative positions for people who by law must hold teaching credentials.

So a significant number of the 25 year old teachers fresh out of ed school who work out will leave.

Most of the ones who don't work out will get tenure and stay. Teachers here get tenure at the end of three years, but at the end of two years they're all given notice in some way that has never been explained to parents that they're going to be getting tenure. So basically the tenure decision is made after year one.

Probably a union reg.



Like most people around here, I had been thinking there weren't any baby boomers out there for hire. We're hiring only 25-year old teachers fresh out of ed school because there's nobody else.

wrong

We're hiring 25-year old teachers fresh out of ed school as a matter of policy.

We get resumes from master teachers, we get resumes from people with Ph.D.s in the subject matter they would be teaching, we get resumes from teaching moms in their 30s and 40s who went to Ivy League schools and hold Ivy League ed school degrees.

There's a whole crew of Westchester Jaime Escalantes out there, some of whom would like to teach here and have applied to teach here.

We don't interview them.

Let me say that again.

We do not interview master teachers.

Period.

Irvington Union Free School District is the opposite of a Major League Baseball team.

We do not scout teaching talent; we do not recruit teaching talent; we do not pay top dollar for teaching talent.

If a Master Teacher approaches us we do not interview him or her, and we do not hire him or her.

I have four sources on this. Four sources, each of whom was directly engaged in the hiring (or, rather, the not hiring) process here in Irvington.

According to the Iron Laws of journalism, the number of sources required to publish something in a newspaper is two.

I've got four.


Why don't we hire master teachers?

Because they're expensive.

We're economizing on teachers.



Back in the olden days, before we started hiring superintendents and assistant superintendents and assistants to superintendents, we had a different policy.

We interviewed and hired hired experienced teachers.

We did not hire 25-year old teachers fresh out of ed school.

We did not even interview 25-year old teachers fresh out of ed school.

We interviewed and hired experienced teachers with proven records in the classroom.

We hired them, and we paid them enough to justify a move to our district.



Let me be clear.

A 25-year old teacher fresh out of ed school may be the best person for the job, regardless of the fact that she's at the bottom of her learning curve. Ms. Duque was fresh out of ed school; she was brilliant. UPDATE 10-30-2006: On second thought, she wasn't fresh out of ed school; she was a couple of years out of ed school. (I think.) She'd taught in a Florida school, then moved here. She was in her 20s and working on her Ed.D. She was a brilliant teacher.

However, the guiding principle in hiring decisions is: who is the best candidate for the job?

Not: who is the cheapest best candidate for the job?




coming right up

5.5 million dollar fields proposal

On the fast track for approval


on edline: Field Update

Initiate a timeline that has the Board of Education approving a bond referendum and environmental review at a Special Meeting of the Board on October 30. This would allow for a public bond vote on Wednesday, December 20. The timeline anticipates completion of the Meszaros Field phase by September 2007 and completion of Phase 2 (East Field, the tennis courts and the parking lot) by the spring 2008.


Special Meeting of the Board

December 20






-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006

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That's what's going on in my district. They're moving out the veteran teachers with early retirement and hiring the cheaper newbies to replace them. Even if the newly graduated teacher was an "A" student, there is no way to learn all that the veteran knows without the experience and mentoring.

Granted, some teachers need to retire and as soon as possible. But others are badly needed for their experience and expertise.

This is yet another thing that parents know nothing about.

-- SusanS - 28 Oct 2006


Even if the newly graduated teacher was an "A" student, there is no way to learn all that the veteran knows without the experience and mentoring.

Absolutely. This is an appalling practice.

Ed school doesn't teach people how to teach; it certainly doesn't teach people how to manage classroom discipline.

That's what THE RELUCTANT DISCIPLINARIAN is about. The author was a very brainy guy who'd worked for TFA & I think had gone to ed school, too. (Must check.)

Nothing in his training prepared him to manage a real classroom filled with real students.

Teaching is a hands-on, very challenging job.

New teachers must have older, experienced colleagues to provide on-the-job advice, mentoring, and training.

Everyone knows this.

Our district is not doing it.

And they're not doing it on purpose.

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


We aren't skimping, however, on administrators.

We hire retired baby boom administrators who are drawing pensions from their previous jobs.

The head of special ed is receiving his pension and is being paid $600/per day by us.

Meanwhile Jimmy's class still doesn't have its bus.

We've got 5 young adults sitting in the basement of the high school not attending their vocational ed programs, because we don't have a bus.

But the head of special ed gets $600/day.

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


This is yet another thing that parents know nothing about.

They're going to know about it now.

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


We have turned away master teachers who wanted to work here.

Master teachers.

Meanwhile the "insider" narrative is that the school is "desperate."

That's the word on Ms. K's positive tenure decision last year: the school "had to" give her tenure, because "they were desperate."

This word has gone out to parents.

No source on where this word came from....it's just "known."

If I didn't have to live in this situation, I'd enjoy trying to figure the whole thing out, as an analytical exercise.

We seem to use a "knowledge is power" paradigm: everything is Top Secret, and individuals have only fragments of knowledge they can't piece together.

Meanwhile confidentiality must always be predicted.

Parents respect this code, too.

So when word goes out that "the district was desperate" I have no way of cessing out how this notion entered the information stream. No one reveals his/her sources, including me. (Especially me; that's for sure.)

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


We have turned away master teachers of math.

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


We're not desperate.

We have other priorities.

Like fields.

Fields and then more fields.

No: $50 million dollar schools and THEN fields and THEN more fields.

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


The current $5.5 mil Fields Project calls for $5.5 mil improvement only to the high school fields. Nothing for the Dows Lane field.

The middle school project, a few years back, included no money for improvement of fields, and ate up space that could have been used for recreation. The middle school has an enormous, useless courtyard that is pure wasted space - wasted space that must, of course, be mowed, seeded, maintained.

The kids can't hang out in the courtyard, and they certainly can't play in the courtyard, because that would disturb the classes that ring the courtyard.

At the time, there were parents who complained about the design & said that it did nothing for the fields.

I now think that was the point.

Robert Moses did everything this way.

Push through a bond issue or tax increase for part of a project; then, when that part is finished, tell the public, "We're only half done."

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


Meanwhile Ms. K is up to tricks.

This week, while Christopher was absent (thank God), she had the kids write comments on the Nazca lines assignment.

The kids in Christopher's class all said it was a lousy assignment.

So then she yelled at them and told them she should have written positive comments; they should have written constructive criticism.

Her other two classes, she said, wrote positive comments. (Not true.)

You'd think she'd want to back away from Nazca lines and basically just not remind students and parents that Nazca lines ever happened.

But no.

She wants comments and she wants positive comments.

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


Fields and more fields is all the rage. Also, we need a football team. No, wait, actually we need 3 football teams.

And at least two fulltime coaches and a trainer.

And then we also need AT LEAST a $5 million field renovation. But we cut world languages in the middle school and we cut the gifted program because of a lack of money.

But we have been very successful at hiring lots of 25 year old fresh out of ed school teachers with SPED experience only. The last 3 teachers my daughter had all came from SPED. Don't get me wrong, they are really great people. Patient, kind, everything you'd expect from a SPED teacher. But here's the thing, they are absolutely ecstatic about mediocre performance. It just bowls them over.

Here's my theory on the fresh out of ed school thing. Yes, partly it is economic. But 2nd, and almost as important, young inexperienced teachers don't come in with "bad" habits. They don't have favorite publishers and series; they are happy to adopt whatever curriculum the district asks them to teach. Even better, they are grateful that they don't have to put together lesson plans on top of everything else that overwhelms a first year teacher. An off the shelf, turn key curriculum with the district's stamp of approval is welcomed, not questioned by newbies. Experienced master teachers might not put up with a substandard curriculum without a fuss. They might do their own thing in the classroom (horrors!).

So that is another reason for the fresh out of ed school hiring.

-- LynnGuelzow - 28 Oct 2006


Fields and more fields is all the rage. Also, we need a football team. No, wait, actually we need 3 football teams.

And at least two fulltime coaches and a trainer.

And then we also need AT LEAST a $5 million field renovation. But we cut world languages in the middle school and we cut the gifted program because of a lack of money.

You've got to be kidding me.

Unbelievable.

But 2nd, and almost as important, young inexperienced teachers don't come in with "bad" habits.

yeah, that's my feeling, too

especially when you add in "new, young female"

we're hiring almost exclusively very young women at the beginning of their careers

at that stage they're going to be the most compliant employees you could possibly come up with

it's the older teachers, I presume (the few we have left) who are squawking about differentiated instruction

-- CatherineJohnson - 28 Oct 2006


-- RoryH - 29 Oct 2006


Ha! Would they ever get a shock if they employed me!

-- SamanthaRawson - 31 Oct 2006


I think they have made a decision to only interview people who are specifically NOT YOU, Samantha.

The last thing any administrator wants is a free thinking experienced teacher that speaks her mind and actually knows stuff.

After our big blow up on EM, teachers have been forbidden to speak out against EM or any other curricular program, or risk their jobs. Teachers with kids in the district don't come to board meetings and don't oppose anything. It is sad.

-- LynnGuelzow - 31 Oct 2006


No experience. I fit all of their criteria (22 years, old, straight from uni, straight from school, and I'm female). Experience I ain't got. (Which is why I can't control a class.)

But boy do I ever know my own mind!

-- SamanthaRawson - 02 Nov 2006


Whoops! I meant it only as a compliment.

What grade level are you teaching now?

-- LynnGuelzow - 02 Nov 2006


Just about to finish student teaching (next week is my last week, but I'll go back once a week until school finishes) and I have grade 1s and 2s. They are lovely kids, except for when they're not, and then I want to kill them! They are sweet, but grades 1+2 are not exactly known for their sedate children (James! GET OFF THAT TABLE! Do NOT jump onto Tom's Head! Sit DOWN!)

I really have no classroom management skills.

Next year when I actually start 'teaching' I'll sub. I will earn more, have more time off, and will learn (hopefully) how to control a class. So then I'll be teaching Prep to year 6, with possibly a bit of Kindy thrown in.

-- SamanthaRawson - 02 Nov 2006


I really have no classroom management skills.

boy, that's the biggie

-- CatherineJohnson - 04 Nov 2006


hey! Samantha!

you can come teach here!

-- CatherineJohnson - 04 Nov 2006


Would they ever get a shock if they employed me!

I'd say Ms. Duque was pretty much in that category.....

-- CatherineJohnson - 04 Nov 2006


After our big blow up on EM, teachers have been forbidden to speak out against EM or any other curricular program, or risk their jobs. Teachers with kids in the district don't come to board meetings and don't oppose anything. It is sad.

Did you tell us about this?

Did I manage to miss it?

Teacher fear was the thing that first got us thinking all was not well here in IUFSD.

Ed started saying, during Christopher's 5th grade year, that the teachers seemed afraid.

I was getting that vibe, too.

I don't like that vibe.

-- CatherineJohnson - 04 Nov 2006

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