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29 Oct 2005 - 13:56

making connections


I think this may be the first press release and/or news article (often one and the same thing, a little-known fact) to connect poor high school performance with what goes on in elementary school. Otoh, this article was published in 1998, so it's possible that the 'fourth-grade slump' meme has simply faded from view in the years since.

Penn State researchers think they know what is behind Johnny's and Janey's inability to do science and math, but Americans may not wish to make the changes that could improve performance.

"U.S. students, in general, show a drop in international rankings in math and science between the fourth and eight grades, which many educators and members of the press have called a slump," says Dr. Gerald K LeTendre, assistant professor of education. "Our studies indicate that this is not really a slump, but simply a continuation of low gains from year to year."

[snip]

"The initial reaction to our drop in ranking is to assume that our middle schools are at fault," says LeTendre. "But no one has looked at the overall trends," he told attendees today (Aug. 22) at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association.

"Most countries do not move up or down in ranking from fourth to eighth to 12th grade," says Baker. "The U.S. is one of the few that does."

The United States starts above the mean in fourth grade science and is at the mean in eighth grade. In math, we are again above the mean in fourth grade but below the mean by eighth grade. The researchers agree that on the surface this has all the indications of a slump. However, the survey sampled third and fourth grades and a grade comparison shows that the U.S. is already losing ground in third grade.

"Low gains between third and fourth, indicate this is not a middle school problem and it is not a slump, but indicative of a system-wide low level of achievement," says LeTendre.

The researchers note that it is not high performance in other countries that pushes U.S. scores down, but something the United States is doing, or not doing, in our education systems to create this mediocrity.

Sociologists of education have observed that known since the early 1900s educational systems in countries have become extremely similar over time, but little is known about how this might influence achievement cross-nationally. Our performances in math and science should all be similar, however, they are not.



do other countries have ed schools?

Apparently not.

The American system....employs teachers trained at universities in a wide variety of subjects besides teaching and their specialties. Other countries, however, have much tighter control over schools and teachers.

The American public is unlikely to accept a system like Singapore's, the number one country in the math and science rankings. There, teachers all receive exactly the same rigid training, school curriculums are uniform and the training institutes assign teachers to schools. Local and parental input to schools are nonexistent.


Agreed.

The American public is unlikely to accept a system like Singapore's.

The American public is likely, however, to accept a set of textbooks like Singapore's.

I'd bet the ranch.

headline: spiralling is bad

One issue looked at by the researchers is the opportunity to learn—the students' access to material in the curriculum. In the U.S., subjects covered in one grade are often again covered in another grade, taking away time from new concepts. Other countries have much tighter upward spirals in learning, only repeating the minimum.


so far, so good

Unfortunately, at this point the article goes off the rails:
Fixing what is wrong with the U.S. school system, however, could be problematic, say the researchers. The American system allows....a close parent teacher partnership....

I disagree.


good news, bad news

The outlook is not totally grim. While U.S. 12th grade students were near the bottom in science, Minnesota fourth graders were the best in science worldwide.

Is this a joke?

source:U.S. Math And Science Scores Indicate Mediocrity



middle schools are still worse

I'm not going to take the time to look it up right now, but I'm certain I've read, many times, that TIMSS data show no gain at all—zero—in math skills for U.S. students between the 7th and 8th grades.

I would be surprised to find that middle schools are simply as bad as elementary schools, but no worse.

Very surprised.


I changed my mind

I decided to go look it up after all.

from The Principal's Guide to Raising Math Achievement:

One of the most disappointing aspects of the TIMSS report as it described the United States was what a small amount of new learning actually occured during the eighth grade. Since both seventh- and eighth-graders took the same tests, researchers had the unique opportunity of creating a quasi-longitudinal study. Sadly, there was no significant difference between the scores of U.S. students at the end of seventh and eighth grades.


And see William Schmidt on U.S. middle schools.


update

Here's Ken on Minnesota fourth graders holding the number one spot in science:

Most likely because hardly any science is taught anywhere at these early grade. I think Singapore doesn't even start teaching science until the third grade.


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You could improve math teaching in the US by a very large amount and still not properly prepare many students for algebra in 8th grade. I don't like the idea that the evaluation of "goodness" is based on a statistical average. I prefer a focus on individual educational opportunity.

-- SteveH - 30 Oct 2005


Sociologists of education have observed that known since the early 1900s educational systems in countries have become extremely similar over time, but little is known about how this might influence achievement cross-nationally. Our performances in math and science should all be similar, however, they are not.

What???

Clearly the "Sociologists of education" were not actually focusing on what was going on in the class rooms. They were probably U.S. socioilogists.

-- KDeRosa - 30 Oct 2005


There, teachers all receive exactly the same rigid training, school curriculums are uniform and the training institutes assign teachers to schools. Local and parental input to schools are nonexistent.

Normally, this is a receipe for disaster anywhere. Singapore got lucky that they got it right. Though, I read recently that they had tinkered with their curriculum to make it more U.S. (giggle) to increase creativity (double giggle). We'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

-- KDeRosa - 30 Oct 2005


a close parent teacher partnership

Sure. So long as obey what they say and let them do exacrlt what they want to do. No matter what the consequences are. Otherwise, you're a troublemaker.

-- KDeRosa - 30 Oct 2005


Minnesota fourth graders were the best in science worldwide

Most likely because hardly any science is taught anywhere at these early grade. I think Singapore doesn't even start teaching science until the third grade.

-- KDeRosa - 30 Oct 2005


I should subject that article to the Gender Genie.

-- CatherineJohnson - 30 Oct 2005